(June 10, 2022, 02:40 PM)HassaMassa Wrote: I'd like to say Ukraine, on account of Russia can go fuck themselves. But being cynical, they'll probably just continue to whatever they can until they get what they want.

Do hope Putin gets Gadaffi'd though.

A bit off topic, but having in mind the time that has passed since the death of Gadaffi and the development of Libya after him, it's worse now. It has become a playground for foreign powers. The country has been shattered again on tribes. And sadly, that happens when you have the biggest oil reserve in Africa.

(June 10, 2022, 02:53 PM)Pan Wrote:

(June 10, 2022, 02:40 PM)HassaMassa Wrote: I'd like to say Ukraine, on account of Russia can go fuck themselves. But being cynical, they'll probably just continue to whatever they can until they get what they want.

Do hope Putin gets Gadaffi'd though.

A bit off topic, but having in mind the time that has passed since the death of Gadaffi and the development of Libya after him, it's worse now. It has become a playground for foreign powers. The country has been shattered again on tribes. And sadly, that happens when you have the biggest oil reserve in Africa.

Yeah it doesn't look good. I don't follow it much to be honest but nothing I've read in the last few years sounds positive. Definitely a problem when the western world props up people like Gadaffi while it suits them, then makes an effort to remove them when no longer useful. And then as you say, it's just one big political void for further foreign interference.

(June 10, 2022, 02:53 PM)Pan Wrote:

(June 10, 2022, 02:40 PM)HassaMassa Wrote: I'd like to say Ukraine, on account of Russia can go fuck themselves. But being cynical, they'll probably just continue to whatever they can until they get what they want.

Do hope Putin gets Gadaffi'd though.

A bit off topic, but having in mind the time that has passed since the death of Gadaffi and the development of Libya after him, it's worse now. It has become a playground for foreign powers. The country has been shattered again on tribes. And sadly, that happens when you have the biggest oil reserve in Africa.

Pan, this is a based response. Ever since Kissenger in the 60's broke up the Arab states and turned the region into a tinderbox, in fears of the Middle East becoming another Superpower, any leader in those countries whose policies were national and prevented foreign interference over things like minerals, oils etc were demonised by the West (Again, Manufacturing consent by the Western Propaganda model) yet we trade and have no qualms with arming Saudis who gun down the Yemeni people, leading to the biggest humanitarian crisis of the 21st century, or arming Israel who commit apartheid on the Palestinian people, those are fine coz they're outpost proxy states that keep the regions in check.

Check this video out on what the Americans and The Queen done to Labor PM Gough Whitlam, who wanted to nationalise coal etc for Australia, but got ousted so Americans could plant their own leader and sell all the coal off to the Chinese.

(June 10, 2022, 02:56 PM)HassaMassa Wrote:

(June 10, 2022, 02:53 PM)Pan Wrote:

(June 10, 2022, 02:40 PM)HassaMassa Wrote: I'd like to say Ukraine, on account of Russia can go fuck themselves. But being cynical, they'll probably just continue to whatever they can until they get what they want.

Do hope Putin gets Gadaffi'd though.

A bit off topic, but having in mind the time that has passed since the death of Gadaffi and the development of Libya after him, it's worse now. It has become a playground for foreign powers. The country has been shattered again on tribes. And sadly, that happens when you have the biggest oil reserve in Africa.

Yeah it doesn't look good. I don't follow it much to be honest but nothing I've read in the last few years sounds positive. Definitely a problem when the western world props up people like Gadaffi while it suits them, then makes an effort to remove them when no longer useful. And then as you say, it's just one big political void for further foreign interference.

If I remember correctly, one of the reasons he was to be removed, was because he suggested a new currency - the gold dinar to the African Union. Of course this new currency was to be used to divert the profit from the oil towards the African states rather than the western banks. So it's absolutely logical, that no one will want that. But yeah, for me is always sad to see a country ruined like that.

(June 10, 2022, 03:04 PM)Pan Wrote:

(June 10, 2022, 02:56 PM)HassaMassa Wrote:

(June 10, 2022, 02:53 PM)Pan Wrote:

(June 10, 2022, 02:40 PM)HassaMassa Wrote: I'd like to say Ukraine, on account of Russia can go fuck themselves. But being cynical, they'll probably just continue to whatever they can until they get what they want.

Do hope Putin gets Gadaffi'd though.

A bit off topic, but having in mind the time that has passed since the death of Gadaffi and the development of Libya after him, it's worse now. It has become a playground for foreign powers. The country has been shattered again on tribes. And sadly, that happens when you have the biggest oil reserve in Africa.

Yeah it doesn't look good. I don't follow it much to be honest but nothing I've read in the last few years sounds positive. Definitely a problem when the western world props up people like Gadaffi while it suits them, then makes an effort to remove them when no longer useful. And then as you say, it's just one big political void for further foreign interference.

If I remember correctly, one of the reasons he was to be removed, was because he suggested a new currency - the gold dinar to the African Union. Of course this new currency was to be used to divert the profit from the oil towards the African states rather than the western banks. So it's absolutely logical, that no one will want that. But yeah, for me is always sad to see a country ruined like that.

Western Countries, The WEF, IMF etc don't like countries having their own autonomy over their money. In fact Western Ideologues hated his concept of the 'Third way'

(June 10, 2022, 03:04 PM)Pan Wrote:

(June 10, 2022, 02:56 PM)HassaMassa Wrote:

(June 10, 2022, 02:53 PM)Pan Wrote:

(June 10, 2022, 02:40 PM)HassaMassa Wrote: I'd like to say Ukraine, on account of Russia can go fuck themselves. But being cynical, they'll probably just continue to whatever they can until they get what they want.

Do hope Putin gets Gadaffi'd though.

A bit off topic, but having in mind the time that has passed since the death of Gadaffi and the development of Libya after him, it's worse now. It has become a playground for foreign powers. The country has been shattered again on tribes. And sadly, that happens when you have the biggest oil reserve in Africa.

Yeah it doesn't look good. I don't follow it much to be honest but nothing I've read in the last few years sounds positive. Definitely a problem when the western world props up people like Gadaffi while it suits them, then makes an effort to remove them when no longer useful. And then as you say, it's just one big political void for further foreign interference.

If I remember correctly, one of the reasons he was to be removed, was because he suggested a new currency - the gold dinar to the African Union. Of course this new currency was to be used to divert the profit from the oil towards the African states rather than the western banks. So it's absolutely logical, that no one will want that. But yeah, for me is always sad to see a country ruined like that.

Yeah it's a shame. A lot of places been / being ruined for poor reasons.

No one wins in a modern day war

If they learned anything from Afghanistan, it's you can't really defeat an armed populace. They will do some serious damage, but there will always be resistance. Also, Russia are definitely not loving the sanctions, it's only a matter of time before the economy collapses in on itself like a neutron star. There's only so much trade to be done with China.

(June 10, 2022, 01:10 PM)fraserrgb Wrote:

(June 9, 2022, 04:03 PM)buffbyte Wrote: Ukraine is getting destroyed either ways :/ NATO fucked up & now Ukraine has to pay

I see Russia already won a war against everybody

There is no way Russia will win anything from this war. Even if they "win" the war against Ukraine now, the aftermath is gonna be super fucked for them

It already is superfucked.
Poor russians their mastercards/visas are not working, they cannot buy the latest game consoles and cannot watch porntube :D

If the west wouldn't intervene with providing help to the Ukraine, they would've lose in weeks. All the west facilitating here is the destruction of the Ukraine, nothing more.

Even if the war would stop next week RU set the UA 10 years behind economically.

Hi,

Who knows who will  wins. However, it's sure that losers are the citizens around the world.