Its time the West needs needs to walk the talk.Ukraine needs more western arms to keep Puttin away.
Let the ship more arms to Ukraine

Nope. You understand that all the money and weapons being sent to the Ukraine will need to be paid back right? Either the country is going to default or the EU will be paying it back once it's membership is fast tracked. Ukraine is 1 of the biggest grain exporters, others being Russia, France and the US, so of course the EU would hover over it's membership, having more stuff pulled into it's folds.

Most countries are close to being proxies to russia. There is well paid propaganda for countries not to help. Going along with populist movements.

I am a full supporter that if u care so much for something, u need to go there and fight for it , if that is what u care about and if u take it so personal. You know that most of the weapons provided by other countries end up into Russian hands, right? Or get destroyed at the moment they cross the border. So what is the point? Supporting Russia even more, isn't that what you don't want?

(June 20, 2022, 03:05 PM)Dredgen Sun Wrote: Nope. You understand that all the money and weapons being sent to the Ukraine will need to be paid back right? Either the country is going to default or the EU will be paying it back once it's membership is fast tracked. Ukraine is 1 of the biggest grain exporters, others being Russia, France and the US, so of course the EU would hover over it's membership, having more stuff pulled into it's folds.

Foreign debt was already a problem for Ukraine before the Russian invasion, many years before they could hope to pay it off. They'll be debt slaves to NATO, its member states, foreign interests, the IMF and World Bank for generations. If they join the EU, they have no hope. On that front, I'm starting to think there's better hope if Russia succeeds.

But then again, those weapons in Afghanistan were paid for pretty easily...

(June 23, 2022, 12:36 PM)Pan Wrote: I am a full supporter that if u care so much for something, u need to go there and fight for it , if that is what u care about and if u take it so personal. You know that most of the weapons provided by other countries end up into Russian hands, right? Or get destroyed at the moment they cross the border.  So what is the point? Supporting Russia even more, isn't that what you don't want?

The everyday osint intelligence updates counters what you state about "most of the weapons.... end up into Russian hands".

Just saying...

It does not matter. Even if Ukraine wins, i am not saying they will, Ukraine is done for. This is no longer of matter between Ukraine & Russia, Ukraine is now a playground between the west & russia. I personally believe that loyalty of the Ukrainian president is questionable to Ukraine and he successfully ruined his country. Conflicts between west & russia could have started elsewhere, he brought it home. No matter who wins, Ukraine is suffering and will suffer more. More arms will not do much in this regard.

not my country, not my problem. they can lick my nuts.

(June 20, 2022, 03:00 PM)sawalo Wrote: Its time the West needs needs to walk the talk.Ukraine needs more western arms to keep Puttin away.
Let the ship more arms to Ukraine

Well, it turned out they need a lot more weapons and ammunition than everyone assumed

(June 23, 2022, 12:36 PM)Pan Wrote: I am a full supporter that if u care so much for something, u need to go there and fight for it , if that is what u care about and if u take it so personal. You know that most of the weapons provided by other countries end up into Russian hands, right? Or get destroyed at the moment they cross the border. So what is the point? Supporting Russia even more, isn't that what you don't want?

I wish we'd stop sending weapons to Ukraine and just sent Putin a fuckin' snickers at this point.