another tesla lawsuit
by - Thursday, January 1, 1970 at 12:00 AM
(Reuters) - Tesla Inc was sued on Wednesday in a proposed class action accusing Elon Musk's electric car company of misleading the public by falsely advertising its Autopilot and Full Self-Driving features.

The complaint accused Tesla and Musk of having since 2016 deceptively advertised the technology as fully functioning or "just around the corner" despite knowing that the technology did not work or was nonexistent, and made vehicles unsafe.

Briggs Matsko, the named plaintiff, said Tesla did this to "generate excitement" about its vehicles, attract investments, boost sales, avoid bankruptcy, drive up its stock price and become a "dominant player" in electric vehicles.

"Tesla has yet to produce anything even remotely approaching a fully self-driving car," Matsko said.

The lawsuit filed in federal court in San Francisco seeks unspecified damages for people who since 2016 bought or leased Tesla vehicles with Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving features.

Tesla did not immediately respond to requests for comment. It disbanded its media relations department in 2020.

The lawsuit followed complaints filed on July 28 by California's Department of Motor Vehicles accusing Tesla of overstating how well its advanced driver assistance systems (ADAS) worked.

Remedies there could include suspending Tesla's license in California, and requiring restitution to drivers.

Tesla has said Autopilot enables vehicles to steer, accelerate and brake within their lanes, while Full Self-Driving lets vehicles obey traffic signals and change lanes.

It has also said both technologies "require active driver supervision," with a "fully attentive" driver whose hands are on the wheel, "and do not make the vehicle autonomous."
Matsko, of Rancho Murieta, California, said he paid a $5,000 premium for his 2018 Tesla Model X to obtain Enhanced Autopilot.

He also said Tesla drivers who receive software updates "effectively act as untrained test engineers" and have found "myriad problems," including that vehicles steer into oncoming traffic, run red lights, and fail to make routine turns.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has since 2016 opened 38 special investigations of Tesla crashes believed to involve ADAS. Nineteen deaths were reported in those crashes.

The case is Matsko v Tesla Inc et al, U.S. District Court, Northern District of California, No. 22-05240.
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(September 15, 2022, 03:36 AM)williamkane77 Wrote: After few years Elon musk will have it's own law firm the way he is moving


he said he was starting internal tesla litigation dept so yes u r right
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in reality, they are selling bad quality cars with leds and lcd screens. the whole hype around it's the titanical work of some PR department that raises their value 40x at least, artificially.
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Really not fond of Tesla and its After selling service. Others brands do it better with electric cars..
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right, mine is fully buggy
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(September 21, 2022, 12:36 PM)kanunanon Wrote: in reality, they are selling bad quality cars with leds and lcd screens. the whole hype around it's the titanical work of some PR department that raises their value 40x at least, artificially.


i agree with you 100%
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does the self driving feature even work?
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(September 14, 2022, 08:14 PM)nbit Wrote: (Reuters) - Tesla Inc was sued on Wednesday in a proposed class action accusing Elon Musk's electric car company of misleading the public by falsely advertising its Autopilot and Full Self-Driving features.

The complaint accused Tesla and Musk of having since 2016 deceptively advertised the technology as fully functioning or "just around the corner" despite knowing that the technology did not work or was nonexistent, and made vehicles unsafe.

Briggs Matsko, the named plaintiff, said Tesla did this to "generate excitement" about its vehicles, attract investments, boost sales, avoid bankruptcy, drive up its stock price and become a "dominant player" in electric vehicles.

"Tesla has yet to produce anything even remotely approaching a fully self-driving car," Matsko said.

The lawsuit filed in federal court in San Francisco seeks unspecified damages for people who since 2016 bought or leased Tesla vehicles with Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving features.

Tesla did not immediately respond to requests for comment. It disbanded its media relations department in 2020.

The lawsuit followed complaints filed on July 28 by California's Department of Motor Vehicles accusing Tesla of overstating how well its advanced driver assistance systems (ADAS) worked.

Remedies there could include suspending Tesla's license in California, and requiring restitution to drivers.

Tesla has said Autopilot enables vehicles to steer, accelerate and brake within their lanes, while Full Self-Driving lets vehicles obey traffic signals and change lanes.

It has also said both technologies "require active driver supervision," with a "fully attentive" driver whose hands are on the wheel, "and do not make the vehicle autonomous."
Matsko, of Rancho Murieta, California, said he paid a $5,000 premium for his 2018 Tesla Model X to obtain Enhanced Autopilot.

He also said Tesla drivers who receive software updates "effectively act as untrained test engineers" and have found "myriad problems," including that vehicles steer into oncoming traffic, run red lights, and fail to make routine turns.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has since 2016 opened 38 special investigations of Tesla crashes believed to involve ADAS. Nineteen deaths were reported in those crashes.

The case is Matsko v Tesla Inc et al, U.S. District Court, Northern District of California, No. 22-05240.
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(September 22, 2022, 05:33 AM)dickbutt42 Wrote: does the self driving feature even work?


it cannot work, there's too much variability that cannot be coded, there are too many situations that can arise, also as the infrastructure allows non-centralized driving entities (people) only broadens the spectrum of variability. you cannot simply pre-think all situation, also if a natural person does something that falls under penal law, for example, killing somebody while driving, the person is gonna get prosecuted under penal law and that's straight forward. but how can you code a vehicle that at some point it's gonna come across 'the trolley problem', and it's gonna kill someone? who are you going to punish in conjuncture with society balance. fine a company? get the ceo behind bars? you cannot automate things in real life and let people do their bidding around them with no accidents.
fully self driving vehicles are a collection of sensors and pre-mapped infrastructure, sensors can become faulty, infrastructure changes and there are chaotic elements ( people,cars,animals,road condition ). 
seriously you cannot anticipate that some sprout is gonna grow into a tree and hide some remote street sign that a sensor cannot pick only cuz the tree has leaves in summer and it hides the sign only 4 months a year cuz they have a temperate climate and that particular tree has 4 months of leaves, while from year to year this can change due to various reasons, or ice forming, heck even for snow it depends how the wind blows in that particular moment, you cannot know how it's gonna settle.
you can drive along the highway and see a helicopter that will clearly land 500 meters away on the highway because it has a problem, there's smoke coming out of it, so you as other drivers notice and can anticipate this, without having to relate to a code or a set of values. you never have to come across this situation to be coded on how to act you will know right away what happens in the next minutes.
lane assist, self parking, cruise control etc are small automated parts that can throw the illusion of -fully autonomous driving- being right after the corner but it's not.
fully autonomous driving is for trains, and might be for closed circuit roads, depos etc.
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first they ignore you then they laugh at you then they fight you then the lawyers win
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